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2 months 3 weeks ago #3735 by Wonboyn
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Pretty wet behind the ears here.

I've done 2 small batch AG recipes on the stovetop, and mini-kegged them. They blew my mind of what can be achieved with homebrewing. A pale ale & a golden ale. The golden ale might be the best beer I've ever ingested.

Thought i'd step up the quantities. I got a fermentasauraus and put a Black Rock Pale through it. I let it ferment for 3 weeks at around 24-26C, i know thats a bit warm but it's warm here, and i'm not set up to cool yet - i reckon it might have tipped 28 at some stages there. Anyways.. i've kegged an carbonated and after the all grain small batches, this is like dirty water. It's not horrible, but there are some flavours in there i really don't like (could be the ferment temp), and it doesn't have any body - watery.

My question is--- Is this normal?? Are extract cans just that much behind an All Grain?
I'm going to do a Morgans premium pale next, and dry hop it because I already have the ingredients. I'll hopefully be able to temp control that one. I'm going to hit up a Robobrew after that though.

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2 months 3 weeks ago #3736 by Gash
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I'd definitely say that ferment temp would be giving you some unpleasant flavours, depending on yeast, but unless you bought one specifically for hot temps...
You can brew nice extract beers, but you need the freshest ingredients you can get, you will need temp controlled ferment unless you buy special yeast but still you might not like the flavours. I'd also recommend adding something that covers up some off flavours that can happen with extract, as in brew very hoppy beers or dark beers like a dark ale or stout can help.
Even if you start out with the best wort in the world if the ferment goes south then you'll end up disappointed. Sounds like you're on to that anyway.
Once you go AG its very hard to go back to extract unless you're doing near full volume boils and adding some steeped grains etc but by the time you do that it's just as easy to do an all grain batch.
Cheers mate!

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2 months 2 weeks ago #3741 by Dredd
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Agree with Gash, I would say that your ferment temperature was too high and/or you screwed up sanitation along the way.

IMHO the key to success is having a good solid base. Pick a beer you like and aim to repeat it a few times to get consistency. Once you have a solid base, then start looking at how you can adjust the variables to play with style.

The problem with constantly changing styles is you may now know what you are doing wrong in your operational processes as opposed to the recipe/ingredient.

A golden ale is probably a good one to pick or a pilsener style in winter.

If you are time poor which happens to the best of us, I find the full wort kits (The 15l containers at Keg King) the next best thing. Much better than extract and less work.

Good luck!

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2 months 2 weeks ago #3742 by Dredd
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Agree with Gash, I would say that your ferment temperature was too high and/or you screwed up sanitation along the way.

IMHO the key to success is having a good solid base. Pick a beer you like and aim to repeat it a few times to get consistency. Once you have a solid base, then start looking at how you can adjust the variables to play with style.

The problem with constantly changing styles is you may now know what you are doing wrong in your operational processes as opposed to the recipe/ingredient.

A golden ale is probably a good one to pick or a pilsener style in winter.

If you are time poor which happens to the best of us, I find the full wort kits (The 15l containers at Keg King) the next best thing. Much better than extract and less work.

Good luck!

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2 months 2 weeks ago #3745 by Wonboyn
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Thanks Gash & Dredd,

My temp controller should arrive this week so hopefully, I'll solve that problem, stick the 'saurus in the fridge. Spunding valve too.

Anyways the beer didn't turn out to be that bad. We flogged around 10 schooners each into us Friday night, and mates liked it.. maybe I was just being picky after the AG's.

Be interesting to see how the next one goes.

THanks Legends.

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2 months 2 weeks ago #3747 by Dredd
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No worries - I try to keep it simple and brew lagers in winter, ales in spring/autumn and drink it in summer.

If you have the space for refrigerated fermenting, more power to you.

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Finnroo's Avatar Finnroo - Sat 16 Mar - 18:47

Thanks Australia and around the world for your support.

cliveinthemiddle - Tue 19 Feb - 22:32

Cheers Finnroo

Finnroo's Avatar Finnroo - Tue 19 Feb - 06:41

Yes just stick to your plan. The airlock is not always an indication of whats going on, cheers :)

cliveinthemiddle - Mon 18 Feb - 20:49

Hi again, my NEIPA started fermenting sturday night, has been bubbling madly since. However I have just checked it (Monday night) and it has stopped bubbling. I was going to dry hop day 4/7 - should I still stick to plan?cheers, Rob

Finnroo's Avatar Finnroo - Mon 18 Feb - 18:05

My experience is it produces a fuller bodied beer with a higher FG.Attenuation being 70 to 75% Cheers

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