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3 years 10 months ago #4590
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Hey guys! I recently got a robobrew and have done about 6 all grain brews.
They all turned out OK, tasted decent.
HOWEVER
I'm following the beersmith recipes to a T. I have Gash's Robobrew profile and mash profile.
My last 2 brews I have fallen short on the OG by about 15.
It's doing my head in.
I even followed the recipe from beerco (the NEIPA) and beersmith calculated very similair water amounts.
Still instead of a 1050 pre boil gravity. I hit 1035.
Any ideas?
They all turned out OK, tasted decent.
HOWEVER
I'm following the beersmith recipes to a T. I have Gash's Robobrew profile and mash profile.
My last 2 brews I have fallen short on the OG by about 15.
It's doing my head in.
I even followed the recipe from beerco (the NEIPA) and beersmith calculated very similair water amounts.
Still instead of a 1050 pre boil gravity. I hit 1035.
Any ideas?
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3 years 10 months ago #4592
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Gidday mate, are you saying your pre boil is 1035 or your OG is 1035. Are you able to paste your recipe and we can have a wee look. Cheers
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3 years 10 months ago #4593
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Hey mate, 1035 was my pre boil.
But I since realized it was because I took a reading when the wort was too hot.
I cooled the wort and got 1043, then post boil I got 1052. Better!
However the recipe from Beerco said I should hit 1078...
I put the recipe into Beersmith and it estimated an OG of 1056-1070.
Hazy Trucker
American IPA (21 A)
Type: All Grain
Batch Size: 23.00 L
Boil Size: 29.30 L
Boil Time: 60 min
End of Boil Vol: 25.00 L
Final Bottling Vol: 21.49 L
Fermentation: Ale, Single Stage
Equipment: Robobrew
Efficiency: 78.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 81.4 %
Taste Rating: 30.0
Prepare for Brewing
◯ Hydrate yeast with 441.81 ml warm water and add optional 22.1 g of GoFerm
◯ Clean and Prepare Brewing Equipment
◯ Total Water Needed: 35.45 L
◯ Mash Water Acid: None
30.43 L Sydney Water Hoppy Beer Water 1 - -
7.72 g Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash) Water Agent 2 - -
3.20 g Epsom Salt (MgSO4) (Mash) Water Agent 3 - -
0.80 g Calcium Chloride (Mash) Water Agent 4 - -
Mash or Steep Grains
Mash Ingredients
Amt
Name
Type
#
%/IBU
Volume
4.25 kg Pale Malt (2 Row) US (6.0 EBC) Grain 5 64.9 % 2.77 L
1.00 kg Munich Malt (20.0 EBC) Grain 6 15.3 % 0.65 L
0.65 kg Oats, Flaked (2.0 EBC) Grain 7 9.9 % 0.42 L
0.65 kg Wheat Malt, Ger (3.9 EBC) Grain 8 9.9 % 0.42 L
Mash Steps
Name
Description
Step Temperature
Step Time
Saccharification Add 20.96 L of water at 69.2 C 64.0 C 75 min
Mash Out Heat to 75.6 C over 7 min 75.6 C 10 min
◯ Sparge Water Acid: None
◯ Fly sparge with 14.49 L water at 75.6 C
First Wort Hops
Amt
Name
Type
#
%/IBU
Volume
20.00 g Columbus/Tomahawk/Zeus (CTZ) [17.20 %] - First Wort 20.0 min Hop 9 28.1 IBUs -
◯ Add water to achieve boil volume of 29.30 L
◯ Estimated pre-boil gravity is 1.056 SG
Steeped Hops
Amt
Name
Type
#
%/IBU
Volume
10.00 g El Dorado [13.90 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 40.0 min, 82.0 C Hop 10 3.3 IBUs -
10.00 g Equinox (HBC 366) [15.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 40.0 min, 82.0 C Hop 11 3.5 IBUs -
10.00 g Galaxy [14.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 40.0 min, 82.0 C Hop 12 3.3 IBUs -
20.00 g El Dorado [15.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 20.0 min, 82.0 C Hop 13 4.9 IBUs -
20.00 g Equinox (HBC 366) [15.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 20.0 min, 82.0 C Hop 14 4.9 IBUs -
20.00 g Galaxy [16.10 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 20.0 min, 82.0 C Hop 15 5.2 IBUs -
◯ Estimated Post Boil Vol: 25.00 L and Est Post Boil Gravity: 1.068 SG
Cool and Transfer Wort
◯ Cool wort to fermentation temperature
◯ Transfer wort to fermenter
◯ Add water if needed to achieve final volume of 23.00 L
Pitch Yeast and Measure Gravity and Volume
Fermentation Ingredients
Amt
Name
Type
#
%/IBU
Volume
2.0 pkg American West Coast Ale (Lallemand/Danstar #BRY-97) Yeast 16 - -
◯ Measure Actual Original Gravity _______ (Target: 1.068 SG)
◯ Measure Actual Batch Volume _______ (Target: 23.00 L)
Fermentation
◯ 18 May 2020 - Primary Fermentation (12.00 days at 19.4 C ending at 19.4 C)
◯
Dry Hop and Bottle/Keg
◯ Measure Final Gravity: _________ (Estimate: 1.011 SG)
◯ Date Bottled/Kegged: 30 May 2020 - Carbonation: Keg with 86.48 KPA
◯ Age beer for 2.00 days at 18.3 C
◯ 01 Jun 2020 - Drink and enjoy!
Notes
But I since realized it was because I took a reading when the wort was too hot.
I cooled the wort and got 1043, then post boil I got 1052. Better!
However the recipe from Beerco said I should hit 1078...
I put the recipe into Beersmith and it estimated an OG of 1056-1070.
Hazy Trucker
American IPA (21 A)
Type: All Grain
Batch Size: 23.00 L
Boil Size: 29.30 L
Boil Time: 60 min
End of Boil Vol: 25.00 L
Final Bottling Vol: 21.49 L
Fermentation: Ale, Single Stage
Equipment: Robobrew
Efficiency: 78.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 81.4 %
Taste Rating: 30.0
Prepare for Brewing
◯ Hydrate yeast with 441.81 ml warm water and add optional 22.1 g of GoFerm
◯ Clean and Prepare Brewing Equipment
◯ Total Water Needed: 35.45 L
◯ Mash Water Acid: None
30.43 L Sydney Water Hoppy Beer Water 1 - -
7.72 g Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash) Water Agent 2 - -
3.20 g Epsom Salt (MgSO4) (Mash) Water Agent 3 - -
0.80 g Calcium Chloride (Mash) Water Agent 4 - -
Mash or Steep Grains
Mash Ingredients
Amt
Name
Type
#
%/IBU
Volume
4.25 kg Pale Malt (2 Row) US (6.0 EBC) Grain 5 64.9 % 2.77 L
1.00 kg Munich Malt (20.0 EBC) Grain 6 15.3 % 0.65 L
0.65 kg Oats, Flaked (2.0 EBC) Grain 7 9.9 % 0.42 L
0.65 kg Wheat Malt, Ger (3.9 EBC) Grain 8 9.9 % 0.42 L
Mash Steps
Name
Description
Step Temperature
Step Time
Saccharification Add 20.96 L of water at 69.2 C 64.0 C 75 min
Mash Out Heat to 75.6 C over 7 min 75.6 C 10 min
◯ Sparge Water Acid: None
◯ Fly sparge with 14.49 L water at 75.6 C
First Wort Hops
Amt
Name
Type
#
%/IBU
Volume
20.00 g Columbus/Tomahawk/Zeus (CTZ) [17.20 %] - First Wort 20.0 min Hop 9 28.1 IBUs -
◯ Add water to achieve boil volume of 29.30 L
◯ Estimated pre-boil gravity is 1.056 SG
Steeped Hops
Amt
Name
Type
#
%/IBU
Volume
10.00 g El Dorado [13.90 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 40.0 min, 82.0 C Hop 10 3.3 IBUs -
10.00 g Equinox (HBC 366) [15.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 40.0 min, 82.0 C Hop 11 3.5 IBUs -
10.00 g Galaxy [14.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 40.0 min, 82.0 C Hop 12 3.3 IBUs -
20.00 g El Dorado [15.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 20.0 min, 82.0 C Hop 13 4.9 IBUs -
20.00 g Equinox (HBC 366) [15.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 20.0 min, 82.0 C Hop 14 4.9 IBUs -
20.00 g Galaxy [16.10 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 20.0 min, 82.0 C Hop 15 5.2 IBUs -
◯ Estimated Post Boil Vol: 25.00 L and Est Post Boil Gravity: 1.068 SG
Cool and Transfer Wort
◯ Cool wort to fermentation temperature
◯ Transfer wort to fermenter
◯ Add water if needed to achieve final volume of 23.00 L
Pitch Yeast and Measure Gravity and Volume
Fermentation Ingredients
Amt
Name
Type
#
%/IBU
Volume
2.0 pkg American West Coast Ale (Lallemand/Danstar #BRY-97) Yeast 16 - -
◯ Measure Actual Original Gravity _______ (Target: 1.068 SG)
◯ Measure Actual Batch Volume _______ (Target: 23.00 L)
Fermentation
◯ 18 May 2020 - Primary Fermentation (12.00 days at 19.4 C ending at 19.4 C)
◯
Dry Hop and Bottle/Keg
◯ Measure Final Gravity: _________ (Estimate: 1.011 SG)
◯ Date Bottled/Kegged: 30 May 2020 - Carbonation: Keg with 86.48 KPA
◯ Age beer for 2.00 days at 18.3 C
◯ 01 Jun 2020 - Drink and enjoy!
Notes
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3 years 10 months ago #4594
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Thanks for that information. According to my calculations using BeerMate you OG is pretty much spot on. I came out at OG 1055.
1056 to 1070 by beersmith isn't helpful for you. So your brewing very well but may be you just need to get used to the software your using. Give this software a try, I use it all the time when building a new recipe and it works well and is very user friendly.
brewmate.software.informer.com/
Let us know how you get on. Well done and cheers
1056 to 1070 by beersmith isn't helpful for you. So your brewing very well but may be you just need to get used to the software your using. Give this software a try, I use it all the time when building a new recipe and it works well and is very user friendly.
brewmate.software.informer.com/
Let us know how you get on. Well done and cheers
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3 years 10 months ago - 3 years 10 months ago #4596
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Thanks mate, Makes me feel a bit better!!
Ill give this software a run.
I just looked at Beersmith again and the estimated OG is 1068. So I've missed the mark by a bit.
I'm unsure where Beerco got 1078 from ??
Ill give this software a run.
I just looked at Beersmith again and the estimated OG is 1068. So I've missed the mark by a bit.
I'm unsure where Beerco got 1078 from ??
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3 years 10 months ago #4597
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I think your profile must be messed up, for starters the eff% shouldnt be 78% should be lower than that, my guess is the profile is messed up.
Otherwise the usual, check the crush, stir a few times etc
You can also try the Brewfather profile I have.
Lots of things can happen in beersmith, its a great program but change one thing, just tick a box somewhere and it can change everything, even if you untick it sometimes. I good quick check for this is check the difference between your your estimated PreBoil and you estimated OG , if its over 6 points something is up.
Cheers!
Otherwise the usual, check the crush, stir a few times etc
You can also try the Brewfather profile I have.
Lots of things can happen in beersmith, its a great program but change one thing, just tick a box somewhere and it can change everything, even if you untick it sometimes. I good quick check for this is check the difference between your your estimated PreBoil and you estimated OG , if its over 6 points something is up.
Cheers!
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3 years 10 months ago #4598
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So my eff is always 70% and that what I calculate my brews at and they are always the same. With the grain father what is the expected efficiency?
cheers Guys
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3 years 10 months ago #4599
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Cheers mate, I got your Robobrew profiles from this site?
I didn't change the efficiency.... strange. I didn't change much actually in the profile.
You're right about beersmith, one wrong click and iI get some weird results.
Changed the Robo to 70% effeciency and the numbers reflect mine more
I didn't change the efficiency.... strange. I didn't change much actually in the profile.
You're right about beersmith, one wrong click and iI get some weird results.
Changed the Robo to 70% effeciency and the numbers reflect mine more
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3 years 10 months ago #4600
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I'll chuck in your ingredients and see what it says, bit later on.
check that estimated preboil and post boil
check that estimated preboil and post boil
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